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Blueing - Why do some Dan Wessons go purple and others stay true blue?
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I have a Norwich First Issue 22 and the only thing with a little plum to it is the cylinder. Is the material or process different for the frame and the cylinder. This is the only one I have ever seen like this.

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Usually frames show the ‘Barney’ more than other parts but I have a Norwich with a Barney cylinder, and a Palmer with a Barney shroud and a few Monson’s with Barney frames. I was told that high silica content in molds can cause reaction with the nitre salts used in the bluing process.  I’m no metalurgist, so I’m guessing that certain elements in the alloy composition of the steels reacts chemically with the bluing chemicals and produces the more ‘rusted’ form of bluing.

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Heckler & Koch P7 squeeze cocker pistols are notorious for having the frames and slides turn plum colored. Especially the older PSP models from the 80s. They had many discussions over this on the HK board. From what I remember, it was finally resolved that it was due to the slight differences in the steel composition used in the 80s in combination with the length of time (chemical strength) the bluing salts were used before being replaced. I have a P7 PSP from 1986 that has a beautiful (?) plum colored slide.

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SCORPIO said
Usually frames show the ‘Barney’ more than other parts but I have a Norwich with a Barney cylinder, and a Palmer with a Barney shroud and a few Monson’s with Barney frames. I was told that high silica content in molds can cause reaction with the nitre salts used in the bluing process.  I’m no metalurgist, so I’m guessing that certain elements in the alloy composition of the steels reacts chemically with the bluing chemicals and produces the more ‘rusted’ form of bluing.

This is the most common explanation I have seen.

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I have a 44 mag Dan Wesson that turned pure purple found a guy who claimed he could reblue it and it would stay black sure enough 5 yrs later and still as black as when he blued it

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dogtrialerguy said
I had a 44 mag Dan Wesson that turned pure purple

I would have bought it from you .. I like the purple hues.

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I have blued several guns using the blueing salts that were sold by Brownell’s and I believe it is simply the different type of alloys used in the different parts and how long and how hot the person doing the blueing that day cooked the parts , I have seen shotgun actions done with a fast blue job come out with a beautiful lite blue like you might get form a old style cold blue and deep black barrels and actions when they are cooked longer . The side plates , frames and barrel just being a different steel take the blueing different and may look ok out of the tank but show the effects of to short of a time in the salts later on.

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weaselguys said
I have blued several guns using the blueing salts that were sold by Brownell’s and I believe it is simply the different type of alloys used in the different parts and how long and how hot the person doing the blueing that day cooked the parts , I have seen shotgun actions done with a fast blue job come out with a beautiful lite blue like you might get form a old style cold blue and deep black barrels and actions when they are cooked longer . The side plates , frames and barrel just being a different steel take the blueing different and may look ok out of the tank but show the effects of to short of a time in the salts later on.  

^^^ This

I also blue guns and have had DWs and Rugers frames turn plum, while the other parts remain black, all parts were blued at the same time, same temp, same duration. It is the alloy in the steel, not the sunlight, age or temperature of the solution.

There are special bluing salts available that will help prevent the plum color, I am guessing the manufacturers use that stuff today.

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I have never blued guns but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. I do read and retain information at a prodigious rate. What I have come across tells me that it is the different steels, the different amount of time in the salts perhaps, how long the salts had been used AND a chemical reaction of the salts and the silicon from the investment casting mold made of clay that is used that impregnates the surface of the  steel. That is why a reblued Barney frame will turn plum over time again. The fact that even the frame of a  gun that appears to not have Barney will have a different hue than the barrel, cylinder and sideplate when studied in daylight makes me believe it is also the different steels too. However, Holiday Inn Express not withstanding, opinions are like you know what. laughing

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