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Hogue Monogrips Issue - Just a heads-up.
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Here's an issue I found with Hogue Monogrips.  As many of you know I recently bought two 7414's.  Both came with rubber Hoque Monogrips. When I received the first gun I took it apart to clean it and install a Tulipwood grip that I had purchased.  When I removed the rubber grip, I was surprised to see a small area of black corrosion. No, it was not rubber that had peeled off of the grip.  It took a little effort but I successfully cleaned it up without damaging the finish of the gun.

Enter the second 7414 about five weeks later, also with a Hogue Monogrip.  I decided to remove the grip on this one because of what I experienced with the first one.  This one was much worse.  There were several quite large areas of the black corrosion.  I believe that this particular phenomenon is referred mto as oxygen starvation corrosion.  Again, I was able to restore the finish, but with much more work.

So, this is just a heads-up.  If you have a gun with a Hogue Monogrip that has been installed for a very long time, you might want to remove it to check for, and/or repair corrosion.

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Makes sense...DW's need to breathe!Laugh

BTW, there seems to be a slight shortage ofCool Pics in this post. Hmmm...

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zoommb said:

Here's an issue I found with Hogue Monogrips.  As many of you know I recently bought two 7414's.  Both came with rubber Hoque Monogrips. When I received the first gun I took it apart to clean it and install a Tulipwood grip that I had purchased.  When I removed the rubber grip, I was surprised to see a small area of black corrosion. No, it was not rubber that had peeled off of the grip.  It took a little effort but I successfully cleaned it up without damaging the finish of the gun.

Enter the second 7414 about five weeks later, also with a Hogue Monogrip.  I decided to remove the grip on this one because of what I experienced with the first one.  This one was much worse.  There were several quite large areas of the black corrosion.  I believe that this particular phenomenon is referred mto as oxygen starvation corrosion.  Again, I was able to restore the finish, but with much more work.

So, this is just a heads-up.  If you have a gun with a Hogue Monogrip that has been installed for a very long time, you might want to remove it to check for, and/or repair corrosion.

Big Grin

-Mike

 


 
Mike, your description is quite detailed, except for exactly where was the black corrosion?  Was it on the end of the metal area the grip bolt threads into???  or was it where the rubber grip touches the stainless steel body???

 

Now, since I'm a Quality Control Inspector at a Nuclear plant I would like to provide some input to the stainless steel world.  We use stainless steel in many systems here at work, and of course have found it's vulnerabilities.  Chlorides can attack stainless steel in the metal grain structure.  We have a phenomenon called Inter-granular Stress Corrosion Cracking (IGSCC).  This is what happens to stainless steel piping if not controlled.  Chlorides attack the grain structure, and while containing radioactive fluid with great amounts of heat and cyclic loading (hot and cold, and mechanical loads) the attacked grains start to tear.  I've personally seen this in pipe that was heat traced.  The heat tracing wires had chlorides in them and so did the tape, and being covered with insulation you couldn't see the damage until it started leaking.  By then, we had to rip the pipes out and replace them.

So, keep your chlorides away from your stainless steel firearms.

Hope you enjoyed the description.

Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich

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Two  appologies:

  1. To CF for not having taken before and after pics.  I just wanted to fix it.
  2. To mox-ct for lack of definitive detail in my description.  The corrosion was found along the bottom edge of the frame where the top portion of the grip covers the bottom portion of the frame.

I hope this satisfies all failures to communicate.

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That is the area that gets the most grip to stainless steel contact.  Those 7414s are considered large frame right?  The grip shaft is round I'm guessing and the grip has a square hole?  I've never seen a 7414, but I do have a 745 and 744. 

 

At work, we use demineralized water to wash off any chemical we use that has chlorides.  For example, Liquid Penetrant testing uses chemicals with chlorides, our last step is to wash the effected area with demineralized water.

 

Rubber and plasitcs are good canditates for containing chlorides.  Think of PVC, polyvinyl chloride.  We use chloride free magic markers and chloride free duct tape also.  It's a big deal.

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That is the area that gets the most grip to stainless steel contact.  Those 7414s are considered large frame right?  The grip shaft is round I'm guessing and the grip has a square hole?  I've never seen a 7414, but I do have a 745 and 744. 

 

Right -- 7414 is a large frame.  It's a .414 SuperMag.  Grip frame has round shaft, grip has round hole;  the wood Hogue grips have a square hole for both small and large frame grips. They are of two-piece construction.

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Mike,

Thanks for the clarification on the grip holes and large frame confirmation.  Maybe someday I'll get one.  Drool

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Ok fine, I'll let ya slide on noCool Pics Laugh

You know, now that I think about it, I have noticed that sort of phenomenon before on stainless stuff...to be more specific, where a rubber sleeve was pressed over a stainless pipe. I just assumed that some other contaminant had gotten between the two & caused what appeared to be a rubber stain on the metal.

It was just a piece of pipe, so I didn't try to polish it out, nor did I try to figure out the cause. BTW, rubber will do a similar thing to cement...like a new car tire parked on a garage floor for a year without moving. That mark doesn't come off until enough decades have passed.Embarassed

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Charger Fan said:

 BTW, rubber will do a similar thing to cement...like a new car tire parked on a garage floor for a year without moving. That mark doesn't come off until enough decades have passed.Embarassed


 

That's called a burnout!!!   laughingScrewy  Actually I didn't know that.

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That's called a burnout!!!   laughingScrewy 


 

True! I didn't think about the "hot rubber" application method.rofl

 

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jaggman said:

Thought, are there any chlorides in the Hogue rubber?


 

Quite probably; there are clorides in a lot of plastics, and though it is touted as rubber, I believe it's soft plastic.  Even if it is real rubber, who knows what chemicals go into any manufactured product these days.

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In 1922 independent inventor and physician Joseph C. Patrick (1892–1965) was trying to make ethylene glycol (HOCH 2 CH 2 OH) to be used as antifreeze. Instead he discovered Thiokol (a trade name that has become generic), a rubbery polysulfide condensation product of ethylene dichloride and sodium tetrasulfide. This early product is still used for gaskets, sealants, sealer adhesives, and hoses because it is resistant to oil and organic solvents.

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