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Cylinder slop 15-2
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sixpointfive
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Howdy,

 

I have a used 15-2 and I noticed the cyclinder has a little bit of play as I rotate the cyclinder when the gun is locked up. It is slightly more when compared to my bunch of S&w's. First what is normal and second wheat can be done if this is abnormal, I do not think it is the hand.

 

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Hard to measure and harder to just describe cylinder slop. It's kind

of one of those things you know when you see it. You mentioned

multiple S&W's you have so this is not your first experience.

 

On another note I have seen some cylinders with what I thought

was excessive play shoot great and never spit. And have had

tight ones spit with one certain lead bullet. Go figure screwy

 

No much to the revolver play other than the bolt, cylinder and

hand. Most likly the bolt has wear and needs fitted and replaced.

 

Part #37 on this diagram:

http://stevespages.com/ipb-dwesson-w142152.html

 

-Blacktop

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I am glad to see that Blacktop considered the "bolt" as a possible culprit. My main shooter 15-2 also has more play than any of the others(other 15-2's). What concerns me is that the Cylinder looks equally worn in terms of the little "divits" ( I do not know the correct Term) that the bolt latches into. Between the two worn areas There is considerable more slop. However, my gun never spits.    

Soap Box, Ballot Box, Ammo Box

in that order.

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1 Palmer FB 15

1 Rossi 357 Model 92 (lever)

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Pinetor said :

What concerns me is that the Cylinder looks equally worn in terms of the little "divits" ( I do not know the correct Term) that the bolt latches into.

 

I would think the cylinder slots would have an even wear pattern,

with that the bolt can be fitted to the tightest slot to acheive to desired

result, that is unless wear is so excessive it causes a timing issue which

would of course require replacement of the cylinder.

 

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It always concerns me when I see cylinder play. If the cylinder lines up good with the hammer back and locks up good it should be ok. I always look down the barrel with a light to see if each cartridge hole on the cylinder lined up correctly.

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In my experience thus far, there aren't many revolvers that don't have a certain amount of cylinder play. When my Super Blackhawk was still unfired, it had absolutely zero play...now that it's digested a couple thousand rounds, it has just a smidge of play.

I think the only DW I've got that doesn't have any noticeable play is my model 40 (.357 Maxi), all the others have some, even a couple of the unfired Porkchops. My 15-2 is the sloppiest of the bunch, but I still shoot it now & then. Other than the primer strikes being off center & some mild spitting, it doesn't seem to care. I'll send it in to DW one of these days, for a tune up.laugh

I think that most any revolver that has been shot will have play, it's just to what degree that is the difference.

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Charger Fan said:

In my experience thus far, there aren't many revolvers that don't have a certain amount of cylinder play. When my Super Blackhawk was still unfired, it had absolutely zero play...now that it's digested a couple thousand rounds, it has just a smidge of play.

I think the only DW I've got that doesn't have any noticeable play is my model 40 (.357 Maxi), all the others have some, even a couple of the unfired Porkchops. My 15-2 is the sloppiest of the bunch, but I still shoot it now & then. Other than the primer strikes being off center & some mild spitting, it doesn't seem to care. I'll send it in to DW one of these days, for a tune up.laugh

I think that most any revolver that has been shot will have play, it's just to what degree that is the difference.

That's a unique SA Blackhawk if it had no play when new. I have handled

dozen's and dozens of the new modern Blackhawks at the shows the last

few years, Bro-in-law even bought one in 44 mag. and the SA have more

play than any DA made. Not that it is a bad thing, just noticed on an average

the SA have more cylinder play.

 

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Blacktop said:

That's a unique SA Blackhawk if it had no play when new. I have handled dozen's and dozens of the new modern Blackhawks at the shows the last few years, Bro-in-law even bought one in 44 mag. and the SA have more play than any DA made. Not that it is a bad thing, just noticed on an average the SA have more cylinder play.

Maybe I got lucky? After I read your post, had to check my still unfired IHMSA SBH, just in case I was remembering wrong...

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...this one does have a little more play than I recall before I fired my other one (below), but the rotational play is so slight I can just barely feel it... the fore/aft play is zero, unless there's some leftover oil in there.wink

I swear that this one (below) had zero movement at all before at least the first 1K rounds. And I checked each time I cleaned it (after each range trip). The first I really noticed any rotational movement was around the 1200 mark...fore & aft play is still zero. 

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Both these SBH's are early 80's guns & I only own these two. So maybe there was a problem later on that I'm not aware of, or maybe earlier? I dunno.

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I forgot that those were the Blackhawks you were talking about. Yours

would not be considered run of mill off the line SA's . Especially an

IHMS edition, I'm sure it got some extra attention when made.

 

I recommend the OP go to the next local gun show and head to any

table with new Ruger's, S&W's or Taurus's and check out the amount

play with them before he makes any changes on his DW.

 

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Hey! Charger, yours looks just like mine, only I don't have the wood box.

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Usually, the bolt or hand is what causes timing problems in DA revolvers,nature of the beast. What worries me more is end-shake, as that affects headspace.

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I think alot of DW owners mistake endshake when they are pulling

cylinder back hard against the spring loaded cylinder alignment ball

and getting a false reading.

 

-Blacktop

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D. Waits said:

Hey! Charger, yours looks just like mine, only I don't have the wood box.

 

Cool! I feel very fortunate to have found mine when I did & am glad I jumped on it. Everyone should own at least one 10.5" SBH, they are just fun guns to shoot.laugh

 

Blacktop, I agree.

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