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Pines Cylinder woes round 2
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Pinetor
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October 31, 2011 - 5:33 pm
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So, I picked up my ole 15-2 from the gunshop. The smith was not in, but according to the shop owner he put 50 rounds through it with zero issue ( chould not duplicate the probelm).  The next day I went out to the range without even cleanign it from when the smith worked on it, and reproduced the issue "exactly" as I described to him first time.

My friend I was shooting with took the gun and opend the crane to study the primers ( after just being fired). All are off center, to some extent, but it variouos widley as to where they are being struck. He also says that the cylinder seems to have a bad looseness left to right ( not in a circular rotation.. just movement to and fro).

 

I think it is probably a crane issue, but the friend thinks it is a cylinder issue. I do have a complete spare crane/cylinder/ejector setup. So I can play some. Can anyone give any other insight/tests to try or possible fixes.

 

Looks like I need a new gun smith .. so I did learn something.  

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Keep us posted!  Try that other crane out and see what happens!  Oh  and look for a new smith (not named Smith)! 

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If there is no play at the bottom of where the crane goes in the frame

it has to be at the crane tube to cylinder. I would say the thin walled

crane tube would wear or wear sooner than the thick cylinder but

you never know. Try replacing crane or cylinder from your spare set

one at a time and see what stops the slop.

 

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Sounds like maybe your bolt is sloppy in the cylinder slots... do you have a lot of rotational play in the cylinder?  If your bolt spring is weak it can cause some problems also.

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SHOOTIST357 said:

Sounds like maybe your bolt is sloppy in the cylinder slots... do you have a lot of rotational play in the cylinder?  If your bolt spring is weak it can cause some problems also.

SHOOT

Yes there is rotational slop as well, though its not horrible.

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P the smith that built my open revo is Frank Glenn

http://glenncustom.com/

one of the things he is a master at is cylinder lockup in revo's. It will cost you $150 or so but it WILL be right

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So..

I took the revo in question to the range. It is much improved, though at first there was still some FtF. I now think that much of the problem may have been due to zero lube in the frame. After about 18 rounds the FtF completely went away. At that point I could not reproduce the problem no matter what.

 

That said there is still fore/aft play once the cylinder is closed. This is unlike all my other 15-2. I can only relate this back to the detent ball and spring ( assuming there is one). I just ordered a complete small parts kit from EWK, and hope fully that will cure that issue.

 

My next step is to actually do the swap all over again. My "second" shooter has a cylinder that does not like 180gr .357, while all other cyliders are just fine with them. The bluing is nicer on it as well. So hopefully in the end my wife will end up with a 15-2 that really only like .38, works well and has good bluing all over. My Second shooter will end up with a poor looking cylinder but at least I can shoot the "bone Breakers" I want it to. The next step will be to get the cylinder protected by something. ALthough it will be doing what has already been done here.. I am thinking of a good hard chrome on it. Its not like I plan on selling it anytime soon.

Soap Box, Ballot Box, Ammo Box

in that order.

4 Monson Model 15's

1 Palmer FB 15

1 Rossi 357 Model 92 (lever)

1 CZ 75B

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