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January 21, 2012 - 1:14 pm
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a buddy of mine gave me some 357  148  gr  wadcutters but i can't find any reloading data on it , can anybody help , using h110  powder .

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Not that i have any help for you, just curious, are those the hollow base ones?

I used to reload a bunch of those, waayyy back in time.

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

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In a .357 Mag; 3 gr Bullseye, in a .38; 2.7 gr Bullseye.  Those were PO Ackley's recommendations for 148 gr bullets in 1962 and still valid today.  They make a good all-day shooting load.  The .357s run about 890 fps and he 38s, about 760 fps. All reloading practices apply; I'd reduce by 10 percent and work up to ensure safety in your firearms.

BTW, if there is no crimp groove, you can roll crimp over the top of the bullet.  Wadcutters are typically seated to even/ almost even with the case mouth.

Google: H110 148 gr wadcutter, for info on the net, using H110 powder.

 

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January 21, 2012 - 4:16 pm
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H110 as a powder only works good at near magnum pressure and makes it a terrible choice for 148 wadcutters.

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I would go to the Hodgdon web site and use the interactive table there. H110 is a slow powder. You will probably find more load data for faster powders, like Titegroup and hp-38. 

 

 I looked it up:

 

.357 148gr LHBWC (lead hollowbase wad cutter)

Titegroup 

Min 2.9 grns  Max 3.3 grns

They also list

IMR SR 4756

Win Autocomp

HDG Universal

HDG HP-38

IMR 700-x

 

PS; I shoot a cast 148 TCSWC (far different from HBCW) and I use 3.5gr in a .38sp I dont waste using my .357 on such target loads commonly. 

 

.38 148gr LHBWC

Titegroup 2.7gr min to 3.3gr max 

 

By the way I hear only great things about Trail Boss  for use with cast bullets, very clean.

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I load alot of 148 HBWC's for my .38 Special rounds, never shot them in .357 Magnum.  I also use Bullseye sometimes but my favorite is 3.1 gr of WW 231, does a nice job for punching clean holes in the paper at 25-yards, used to shoot bullseye competion in a local shooting circuit with these out of my Smith 586 weekly.  I have the Smith yet but also shoot these from the Dan's now.

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so if i wanted to do 38's wadcutters what would you recommend, i'm assuming these for 357's are to big , so for using 38's as some of yall said what would you use  ? bare with me , just getting into this and would like to learn from everybody .

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January 21, 2012 - 9:23 pm
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The 148 HBWC is just fine to use in the .38.. I think your confusion, is that your friend said these were for .357. There is no "size" difference between bullets used in .357 and those used in.38, both are the same caliber. 

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January 21, 2012 - 10:54 pm
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this is basically what they look like , they are not hollow they are solid and the same on both ends .

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January 21, 2012 - 11:59 pm
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That's an interesting looking bullet, it almost looks like it was turned on a lathe.

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promad; I can't help but notice that the bullet is a beveled base.  If you have issues with leading, we can work on that.  In my experience w/ casting/ reloading/ shooting, BB bullets require a well fitting throat to barrel fit to prevent leading.  The bullet needs to be no more than .001"-.002" under throat size and the bore needs to be at least .001" smaller than that.  In revolvers, that's compounded by the fact that you have six throats that need to be the same size.  Of course, the easiest fix (if you have leading issues) is to shoot gas checked lead bullets or go back to jacketed bullets.

Just my $.02; don't be intimidated- have fun and shoot it!  If, after you shoot your reloads, you notice black soot on the outside of your case mouth; you need more pressure and can up your powder weight as long as there are no signs over pressure elsewhere.  That's the first step- get good bullet obturation.

Best Regards, Ron

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so if i wanted to use these in a 38 , these are 148 grain double ended wadcutters , what would you say would be the best all around powder , and how to crimp , flush or what ? , thats my problem . does it have to be a factory crimp ?

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January 22, 2012 - 4:07 pm
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The bullets look symetrical, so just pick an end and roll crimp into the opposite groove.  I'd look  for whatever load data you can find for the powder you have on hand, or you can get easily (nothing is easy to get where I live), reduce the published load by 10 percent, load and shoot.  Take notes so you have a documented starting point and we can work through the rest after you have initial results. 

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Of course there are no good .32 loads, so if you want to sell the 732; let me be the first to know wink 

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Ron

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January 22, 2012 - 4:44 pm
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You can't go wrong with bullseye for light target loads.  I'd go with Rons' reccommendations above.

I haven't loaded up any Wadcutters in a long time...

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January 22, 2012 - 9:28 pm
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rwsem   Your answer on cast bullets Hit it out of the park.  Well done.  R S

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January 25, 2012 - 12:35 pm
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I've used Bullseye before, but my current wadcutters in .38 Special are loaded with W-231. My bullets look just like yours, only they were made by Leadheads with a greenish-blue lube.

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