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August 13, 2022
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We have a number of DW revolvers and we have had this one and have never been able to find information on it. My husband wondered it it was something tried and never went to production. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I has the cylinder release mounted in reverse.
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Nancy
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December 5, 2008
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Post a photo or three and we will try to identify.
August 13, 2022
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Thanks, I guess I didnt upload it correctly last time so hoping this works
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July 12, 2020
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Not an expert by any means but if Model No 12 is it's actual serial # that should give it some kind of provenance????????
Maybe a or "the" prototype for the Model 12.
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December 5, 2008
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someone more knowledgeable will probably jump in here soon. But I think the serial number is the number on the frame under the crane. If you remove the grip, you may find more info on the grip post. The crane latch is actually the correct shape for the early Dans like this one. The design of the latch changed later.
I'm pretty sure that there were no stainless model 12's. The gun has either been refinished in something like hard chrome or had the bluing removed and is "in the white". If the latter, then it will need constant attention to keep it oiled or otherwise protected to prevent rust.
It will probably be a great shooter!
Dans are also rapidly rising in value on the market.
October 18, 2017
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My guess is that the revolver was nickel plated at some time in its history; could even have been a factory job. A very nice example of a very early DW with seemingly very little wear. Really like the grips also. A great find!
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March 25, 2013
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You have a very early factory nickel plated model 12. Could be a N for nickel too. The grip is one of the original styles. A Sacremento grip, designed for the Sacremento Police Department. The sloping base of the grip ( lower in the back) lessened the bulge of a holstered gun. The checkering was not common. A later style combat grip was straight across or sloped down in the front for more finger grip.
Nickel Dans have great triggers due to the reduced friction from nickel on the inside frame and sideplate. With Wolff reduced power hammer and trigger springs they become the slickest, fastest DA hammer of almost any revolver.
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January 24, 2009
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605Dart said
Not an expert by any means but if Model No 12 is it's actual serial # that should give it some kind of provenance????????Maybe a or "the" prototype for the Model 12.
That's a model 12, the 4-digit serial number is shown clearly stamped in the frame under the crane.
Nancy, the cylinder release was indeed "mounted in reverse" when compared to Smith's & most other revolvers, which were affixed behind the cylinder. Many shooters who are used to the way S&W, Colt, Ruger, etc. look at DW's cylinder releases as backward. BUT these were intentionally placed at the front to help with the overall strength of the gun...or that's what I've read. Maybe it was merely a strategically placed talking point designed to differentiate DW guns from your "run of the mill" Smiff's. 
Snake-eye, you are right, not a stainless gun. This gun appears to be a factory nickel gun. No stainless Dans came along until after DW passed away in 1978. I don't remember why, but he didn't trust the strength of stainless material that were in some guns of the period, so while he was alive, all DW's were steel.
The first two models in 1970 were the Model 11 & 12. At some point some sales guy (presumably) brought the idea to put "DW" in the model numbers, which introduced the D11 & W12. The D11 had fixed sights, and the W12 had adjustable. After a while they dropped the D&W and just went back with model 11 & 12. The gun pictured is a model 12, probably made within the first 6 months of production in 1970. At the time, customers could order a gun in satin blue, gloss blue, matte nickel, nickel (shiny), or various themes of engraved guns. Kind of like a Burger King commercial from a while back..."make it your way"? 
Here, for example, are my two sequential numbered 2-digit guns (Ed & Fred...97 & 98 respectively) from early in the 1970 run, both are Pistol Pacs...model 12.
Top row is my W12
2nd row ED & Fred (yes named by me LOL), both model 12's
3rd row my 1st model 14 in .357, then my model D11, a fixed barrel .38 spl. (The 2nd single rarest gun I have currently)
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January 24, 2009
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BTW, my D11 & W12 guns have serial number in 7xxx & 4xxx respectively, if anyone is following the numbers.
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December 5, 2008
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Thanks to Ole Dog & Charger Fan. I knew we would learn something. Factory nickel is uncommon, some would even say rare.
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July 12, 2020
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Thanks Charger fan,
"That's a model 12, the 4-digit serial number is shown clearly stamped in the frame under the crane."
I'm not a big revo guy and that's the only place I have seen the serial #'s on guns, I didn't know they had them under the crane too.
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January 24, 2009
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Snake-eye, I agree. Factory nickel DW's are not common, it would be really interesting to know the percentages...but then we would have to pry open the big bear trap government entity known as the BATF to find out those numbers. And WOAH...they can't ever divulge those stats! Nope, never. 
Dart, I hope you don't feel I "schooled" you too much, that wasn't the intent. There is far too much erroneous info out there on the intwerwebz regarding DW's, that I often feel the need to jump in & set the facts straight as soon as possible. That is much of the mission here at the 
... trying to try to keep facts straight. There is too much other garbage info out there on various platforms, at least this place should be as factual as possible. An "oasis of DW knowledge" if you will, all in one stop. 
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July 12, 2020
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No sir, not at all. I have much to learn on revolvers.
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January 17, 2015
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That's a very nice gun and as always, a wealth of information from our members.
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August 13, 2022
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This is so interesting…I now own this same gun, purchased from a dealer in Massachusetts, what are the odds.
Couldn’t believe it until I saw the serial…it is in terrific condition except I had to use the hammer drill, 5/8 socket with barrel bolt to get the barrel nut lose.
It has a new home in Florida.
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January 24, 2009
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Wow, what are the odds is right!! 
That is really cool, thanks for sharing.
BTW, I didn't notice the first time this thread came up, but it looks like it has a flush barrel nut? If so, that BA is from a model 15. Still a super cool find, though.
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August 13, 2022
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Charger Fan said
Wow, what are the odds is right!!BTW, I didn't notice the first time this thread came up, but it looks like it has a flush barrel nut? If so, that BA is from a model 15. Still a super cool find, though.
That is interesting…so, model 12’s only had external ba nuts? I did think there were two versions external & internal nuts.
if the ba/shroud on this gun is from a 15, it’s a perfect match ….seems improbable but I believe you.
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August 13, 2022
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one other thing that made me think the ba/shroud is original 12 ….it has a fixed front sight
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August 13, 2022
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My limited research suggests revolvers marked W12 have the external nut
Those marked with 12 only have internal nut….is this correct?
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March 25, 2013
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All model 11+12 have an exterior nut except those guns that were made around serial number 10,000. There may be some model 12s sold around then (early 1971) with the interior nut. If it is made earlier than that it likely has a model 15 BA which could have been ordered from the factory. All porkchops have fixed front sights. The first 15-2s had fixed sights also. 15-2s started at serial number 50,000 and interchangable front sights debuted before 75,000.
Model 12 and 15 had the same front sight as they had an adjustable rear sight and the barrel length is only 1/4" different. Models 11, 14 and 14- 1 had different heights and will not shoot to point of aim if switched. 11 and 14 nmay be close but not 14-1. Also 15 and 15-1 are different heights but the adjustable rear may be able to accommodate for that.
Keep an eye out on eBay for Nickel porkchop BAs of different lengths but be aware of the problem with front sight heights. The 12 and 15s are much higher than the others.
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