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Supreme Court rules 2A applies to states!
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Jody
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June 28, 2010 - 2:21 pm
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Breaking news:  The U.S. Supreme Court in the McDonald vs. Chicago case has just ruled that the Second Amendment does indeed apply to all 50
states.

 
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Wow.

I had to google it to find out what was up. Now to be sure I think I found a "pro-gun" site, but most of what I read was the simply the quote of justices, so pro or no, a quote is a quote.

 

If indeed what I read was the courts decision.. and more importantly, was the courts expounded upon position, then I am a very happy citizen. For the first time, in a very long time, I agree not only with the decision, but with HOW the decision was derrived. Though I did not see my exact position, what I did see was certainly, of the same nature.

 

Todays ruling:

Basically, a US citizen has the right and responsibilty of self defense, and by far the most preffered form of self defense is the handgun. The second amendment cannot be stripped from the citizen by local ( state) law which would deny a citizen of this prefferd or any other method.

 

My position has always been that the only government entity required by charter/mission to "protect/defend" anyone is the Secret Service. All other forms, are law enforcement, not "defenders". If they were required to defend, then whenever they failed they could be held financially responsible (rather silly). So unless you are protected by the Secret Service, you are responsible for and have a right to your own protection. 

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Now if the CCW permits were good everywhere that would be good.

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Here is link to the Wall Street Journal's opinion on this issue:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703964104575334721392301704.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

If you happen to read the article, make note of the picture of the person loading a magazine into a 1911 type pistol...what is wrong in that picture?

 

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 If you're going to drink, don't drive. Don't even putt. 

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BAD!BAD!BAD!

The other day in a local gunshop, a salesperson was walking around with a revolver that someone was getting ready to buy with his thumb perched on the hammer spur and his finger inside the trigger guard and fully engaged on the trigger. Watched him wander this way for about 90 seconds before I got out of there.

This particular place has had ND's inside the building, most of the sales guys are highly "tacticool"

 

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

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Well...although it's technically in bad form to have your finger on the trigger before you're ready to fire, the 1911 in the pic does appear to have the hammer down, so it can't fire from it's current position without at least cocking the hammer first.

But I agree that it's not good to leave a pic like that lying around, for impressionable minds to interpret as what is right to do when loading your 1911, or any gun, for that matter.Confused

 

On the thread subject...THAT'S GREAT!!Laugh

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That is great news, but I find it totally unbelievable that 4 Supreme Court justices STILL do not believe the Second Amendment applies to individuals. Do they not understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Have then never read the discussions our founding fathers had about WHY it was needed? Mad

 

Of course, despite Solo-Mayonaise's promises in her confirmation hearings, she went straight to the far left and voted against it.

"Her Senate testimony: "I understand the
individual right fully that the Supreme Court recognized in
Heller." And, "I understand how important the right to bear arms is
to many, many Americans."

The Savantist

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IHMSA80x80 said:

"…Have they never read the discussions our founding fathers had about WHY it was needed? Mad


 

I'm with you on this one!  Sadly, the battle over individual rights and freedoms, as well as the size and role of the Federal Government, has been at the forefront of debate since the conception and founding of this great Nation.  There has been, and continues to be a treacherous undertow, that threatens the foundation our Nation.

If you have been watching the Elena Kagan confirmation hearings, Sonia Sotomayor pales in comparison to Elena Kagan.  Not only does Kagan not believe in 2nd Amendment rights as it relates to individuals, she appears to be hostile toward our Nation's military and she has also made comments that suggest she does not believe in individuals' natural, God-given rights…how scary is that!

President Obama, who nominated both of these individuals, continues with his promise of change!

GG

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5-4 a Victory....perhaps...  ONE VOTE away from the 2ed not being applied to all!!!!!!

 

ONE VOTE!!

 

Surpreme Court decisions have been reversed by other Surpreme Courts.....

 

The people won this one.....but only by a thread....

 

IN
CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The
unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in
the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to
dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and
to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station
to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent
respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the
causes which impel them to the separation.

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they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to
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alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present
King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations,
all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny
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He has
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abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and
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plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed
the lives of our people.

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this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat
the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with
circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most
barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

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constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear
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and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

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excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring
on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose
known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages,
sexes and conditions.

In every
stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most
humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated
injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may
define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

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We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned
them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an
unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the
circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to
their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the
ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would
inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have
been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must,
therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation,
and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace
Friends.

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for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority
of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That
these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and
Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the
British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the
State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that
as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War,
conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all
other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.
— And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the
protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our
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