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January 22, 2008
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Looks like the anti's are going to try to take advantage of the shooting in AZ...
McCarthy today will officially announce she is working on a bill targeting the high-capacity ammunition clips the gunman allegedly used in the shooting....
January 4, 2011
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Well, it looks like it is time for all of us to get off of our butts and wallets. Make a contribution to the NRA; contribute to pro-gun candidates early; start letter writing campaigns to your representative; attend gun shows and support all of the pro-gun organizations in or near your area.
This kind of crap happens because and when we are apethetic (showing or feeling no interest, enthusiasm, or concern).
This web site lists the name, address, telephone number and many email addresses for the US Senate.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
This will get you to the House of Representatives; you may need to know your district.
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February 22, 2009
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Had a debate already about this. My point of view is that more people in the crowd needed to be legally licensed to carry. It's obvious that law enforcement couldn't respond quickly enough to avert the tragedy and could have used the help.
Just my $.02 when I overheard someone say we needed more gun restricting laws...
Ron
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December 24, 2010
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What I find mildly amusing is that it is VERY unlikely that any Representatives from AZ will join in on this bill. Particularly in view of the comments Sheriff Dupnik made when asked about this incident by some clearly anti-gun reporter - I don't remember the question, nor what his exact response was. I just remember he undoutedly would have looked like this 
if he hadn't been on camera. As it was, he was less than patient and diplomatic in his response. For which I applaud him BTW!
...and, it's not like they will just go after the 30+ round pistol mags, which would be the logical thing to do if you were a rational person. Of course from MY perspective, none of that is logical and all I keep hearing is the nasally, sanctamonious, witch-like voice of a teacher I had in grade school..."Well, it really is just too bad that how SOME people act has to ruin it for all you." Oh well, not like this will be our first rodeo fighting these freedom hating, scared of thier own shadow morons and it certainly won't be the last.
Molon Labe!
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February 9, 2009
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The results of the shooting would have been likely different if everyone was carrying, don't you think? That is what the representative's need to be hearing from everyone right now, just as Florida Collector mentioned.
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December 24, 2010
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Wonder if they will try to press assault charges against the unarmed citizens - particularly the first person to put HER hands on him, wrestling for the mag (bullet clip???) as he was trying to reload. Naw, probably not...course if she had been armed and shot the guy, then she would have been painted as being no better than the shooter and charged with attempted murder right along with him (think Bernie Goetz).
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March 2, 2008
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rwsem said:
Had a debate already about this. My point of view is that more people in the crowd needed to be legally licensed to carry. It's obvious that law enforcement couldn't respond quickly enough to avert the tragedy and could have used the help.
My understanding (based on some quick research) is that AZ is "Shall Issue" for CCW Permits, Open Carry does not require a Permit. In this respect there were virtually no obstacles in place for any of these people, or the many bystanders to defend themselves and possibly avert some tragedy.
RAH had it right: "An armed society is a polite society"
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December 24, 2010
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I've re-thought my earlier post. I have to wonder why it is that McCarthy and the rest of the anti-gun people - the ones always preaching that they want to "stop the violence" - never consider alternative ways to address the issue of spree killings with firearms. There is a common denominator in these acts. Mental illness and a system that doesn't effectively raise a red flag when someone has previously exhibited unstable behavior. I doubt very much that our forefathers intended to included mentally ill or otherwise unstable individuals in the Second Amendment. Could such a system be abused by the anti-gun crowd? Absolutely!
HOWEVER, that would clearly be the type of TYRANNY the Second Amendment gives us the means to effectively fight when all other avenues fail.
November 14, 2009
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CCSA said:
then she would have been painted as being no better than the shooter and charged with attempted murder right along with him (think Bernie Goetz).
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Bernie Goetz lived in a no gun zone, New York City and surrounding communities. A little different.
Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich
November 14, 2009
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Yes, it is hard to raise the red flag for unstable people. An example of this is a friend of mine married Bi-Polar female. Twice she called police and told them he threatened to shoot her. Both times, the case was dismissed, but the result was confiscated firearms. Some were transfered to me and another guy, but some disappeared. I was told a judge ordered the firearms held, destroyed.
It will be interesting to see how all this plays out. Keep your finger on the pulse of the legislators.
For Connecticut, this site is very informative:
Right now it appears the site is down.
Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich
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January 24, 2009
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CCSA said:
What I find mildly amusing is that it is VERY unlikely that any Representatives from AZ will join in on this bill. Particularly in view of the comments Sheriff Dupnik made when asked about this incident by some clearly anti-gun reporter - I don't remember the question, nor what his exact response was. I just remember he undoutedly would have looked like this
I'm glad that he stood up for gun rights in that situation, because I keep hearing statements he's made in the past couple days, that clearly fuel the left & throw gun rights advocates under the bus. I don't know if the guy's just slipping 
or if he's really a RINO type of lefty.
Sadly though, I'm sure the anti's are gonna milk this senseless tragedy for all it's worth & we probably won't hear the end of it for years. The normal people in this country most definitely need to make their voices heard!
January 4, 2011
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There is a good article in this month's Blue Press from Dillon on the global UN gun treaty. I have been hearing rumors of this for a while, but have not yet seen anything credible that would lead me to believe even Obama would sign it.
Anybody have any real evidence you can point us to?
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February 22, 2009
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The UN Gun Treaty is very much an issue. However, its not he POTUS's authority to sign without a 2/3 majority vote in Congress to enact. Probably won't happen any time soon, although the Secretary of State did entertain the thought last year.
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December 24, 2010
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Charger Fan said:
I'm glad that he stood up for gun rights in that situation, because I keep hearing statements he's made in the past couple days, that clearly fuel the left & throw gun rights advocates under the bus. I don't know if the guy's just slipping
Sadly though, I'm sure the anti's are gonna milk this senseless tragedy for all it's worth & we probably won't hear the end of it for years. The normal people in this country most definitely need to make their voices heard!
Funny you mention statements he has made that seem to throw gun advocates under the bus. I've been reading many articles on this guy also and didn't find anything like that. THE PRESS headlines tend to lead one to believe he is stirring the pot, but it is because he is slamming the media for their rhetoric. He is also slamming society in the US in general as having no respect for anything anymore, a call to return to concepts of morality, ethics, and to stop being bigots. On the other hand, he also defends AZ stand on illegal immigration.
Regarding the anti-gun groups – McCarthy (of New York, Naturally) – jumping all over this, writing legislation to ban "highpower magazines." What a crock of $h*t. Why isn't there a HUGE outcry about the failed system that allowed this psycho to buy a gun in the first place. His actions were clearly "off" enough to warrant a college panel, which included a psychiatrist, to expell him and require a mental eval that he was NOT A DANGER TO HIMSELF OR OTHERS if he wanted to return.
ATF Form 4473; Firearms Transaction Record, Part 1- Over-the-Counter. Question 11f:
"Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"
Loughner answered "NO." Had the NICS system worked the way it is SUPPOSED to, this would have been caught.
WHY AREN'T THE ANTI-GUN LOBBY JUMPING UP AND DOWN ABOUT THIS SAFEGUARD THAT FAILED??? Had this part of the system, WHICH PART OF THE ANTI-GUN LEGISLATION THEY PUT IN PLACE, worked as it was supposed to, it alone would have prevented this tragedy!!!
December 24, 2010
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rwsem said:
The UN Gun Treaty is very much an issue. However, its not he POTUS's authority to sign without a 2/3 majority vote in Congress to enact. Probably won't happen any time soon, although the Secretary of State did entertain the thought last year.
I can't even begin to imagine something like this becoming reality ANYWHERE. As far as the SoS entertaining the idea...ehh, why even bother, consider who it is and leave it at that. She's not capable of effectively orchestrating even minor deals, what makes anyone think she could pull off something like that treaty
December 24, 2010
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mox-ct said:
Bernie Goetz lived in a no gun zone, New York City and surrounding communities. A little different.
Well, yea, I kind of forgot about that part. You're right, a little different. I do still wonder how that scenario would have played in the media though.
January 4, 2011
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The system seems to work fine when people are truthful on the forms. But how is the FFL or BATFE supposed to know. Doctors aren't required to report these wackos so it isn't until after they wig out that anybody knows they're cracked.
I don't want anymore gov't intervention in my life so I am opposed to stiffening any regulations or implementing any kind of mental challenge prior to buying a gun. The first Form III I submitted took more than 4 months to adjudicate. They've got it down to 5 weeks for me now. The system is working but it only works if you are honest. But like in every instance, dishonesty by a few hurts us all. I've ranted in a couple of the forums about personal responsibilty, making your voice heard, and your opinion known. This can only be done through our personal actions (or negatively through inaction.)
December 24, 2010
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mox-ct said:
Yes, it is hard to raise the red flag for unstable people. An example of this is a friend of mine married Bi-Polar female. Twice she called police and told them he threatened to shoot her. Both times, the case was dismissed, but the result was confiscated firearms. Some were transfered to me and another guy, but some disappeared. I was told a judge ordered the firearms held, destroyed....
Yet another example of abuse of power and a broken system. I know that law enforcement agencies and the courts routinely "steal" private property (firearms) from private citizens at any opportunity. I guess that's one of the things that infuriates me. If this type of thing were happening with ANY other type of private property, you can bet every civil rights attorney and group in the nation would be flooding the courts with lawsuits. I want someone to explain to me how firearms ALWAYS seem to fall outside the protections provided by the Constitution (Second Amendment excluded - at least for now).
December 24, 2010
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FloridaDWCollector said:
…I don't want anymore gov't intervention in my life so I am opposed to stiffening any regulations or implementing any kind of mental challenge prior to buying a gun…
I agree with you 100%, I want as little "government" in my life as possible. However, I think there has to be some way, within the exisiting legal system not adding to it, to be able to flag (or un-flag as in the case of mox-ct's friend) people like Loughner. In the absense of such a system, the only option people feel they have left is "banning."
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March 2, 2008
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Here's a pretty cowardly response, very clearly focused on a personal concern for safety, and to hell with the average American:
"Another member of Congress, Rep. Peter King (R) of New York, announced
Tuesday that he plans to introduce legislation making it illegal to
carry a firearm within 1,000 feet of certain government officials,
such as lawmakers. Congressman King is chairman of the House Homeland
Security Committee and cochair of the Congressional Task Force on
Illegal Guns."
Here's the source:
So how am I supposed to know I'm within 1000 feet of one of these self centered, mindless sycophants, while exercising my Constitutional Rights?
The arrogance of these morons is insulting.
Rep. Giffords has suffered a grievous injury, much like the injuries sustained by hundreds (thousands?) of brave American Serice Men and Women, who are shunted off into mediocre or non-existent care. Here's a thought-let's put all US Government employees, including elected officials, into TRICARE!
Wait for the screams, here they come 
BTW-Rank and file members of Congress (including first termers) made $174,00 per year in 2010, plus who knows how much in allowances and under the table stuff. How much are the guys on their second or third deployment in Afghanistan making?
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
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