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September 20, 2019
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Hi all,
Let me introduce myself: my name is gener, male, 64 yo, I'm from Barcelona (Spain) and I just bought a Dan Wesson revolver.
So I came here to share with you my concerns and discoverys.
I don't have my new gun with me, but I expect to have it next week.
I bought it just today from a gun shop 300 miles away.
So, I must wait that the gun follows all the regulation rules we have, here in Spain (a lot of them).
I think it is a model 15. "H", not "V". (It seems to me, deducted from the info taken from this forum and the two pictures I have)
This is the gun
Regards and good luck
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February 22, 2009
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Good to have you on the DWF- that's a Palmer era Fixed barrel- not vented so no V- you are correct
Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....
February 22, 2017
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Congratulations on your new Dan Wesson & welcome to the forum. I've never seen a set of grips like those on your Dan Wesson, I'll be interested to know what you think of them once you get it out to the gun range.
Jerry
6 Dans and counting...
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June 11, 2016
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Welcome to the Forum from Wisconsin.
August 20, 2019
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Welcome from another new member here and new DW owner. Be sure to post again when you get your "new" model 15.
December 6, 2015
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Welcome from Brazil my friend, enjoy the new toy!
September 20, 2019
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jertex said
Congratulations on your new Dan Wesson & welcome to the forum. I've never seen a set of grips like those on your Dan Wesson, I'll be interested to know what you think of them once you get it out to the gun range.
First of all, thank you all for your warm welcome.
Now, jertex, this is your answer:
This grip is special for target shooting ISSF center fire.
It is an ergonomic grip shaped to fit perfectly to your hand to achieve total contact, so you get total control of the gun.
In target shooting, at least in Europe, everyone gets a gun with this kind of grips or, if the gun hasn't, then they are buyed apart.
Also the gun needs to have adjustable sights (as my DW has) or buyed apart.
In target shooting (bull's eye shooting, I think you call it) your goal is to place your bullets inside a 2 inch circle at 25 meters (28 yards approx). So you need to stop and control your gun very accurately to get this results o, at least, be very close.
In my country, to be considered a first class shooter you must put 60 shots in a row into a 4 inch circle at 28 yards to achieve 510 points out of 600.
So you need to get all 60 rounds as 9's (4 inch) and 10's (2 inch).
My level is 2ond class, above 440 points and below 510. Usually I am about 480 points, some days above some days below.
In a competition you shoot 30 rounds in "precision shooting" with some time to aim and 30 shots in "rapid shooting", 3 seconds to aim and shoot, 7 seconds between shots and must not aim between shots, you must low your gun.
In precision shooting the bull's eye is 2 inches wide, "X" 1 inch wide, as I told you before, and in rapid shooting the bulls eye is 4 inches wide, and a "X" 2 inches wide.
All of that shooting one handed, standing, on your two feet and without any support. Two hands grip is forbidden in target shooting.
So this is the reason for such grips, to have your gun just like a hand prolongation.
Here in Spain we can't shoot out of the range (indoor or semi-indoor, very controlled) and we can not hunt with a hand gun.
We only can shoot outdoors in a IPSC (USPSA equivalent) competition or a PRS competition.
So we can't do "plinking" as you can and the "combat" grips are not very needed.
I'm sorry for this long explanation but it is needed to answer the question properly.
Hope I have satisfied your curiosity.
Best regards
September 22, 2019
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Welcome from another new guy here.
I have always wondered about how guns are bought in other countries and saw you explanation above.
What does something like that cost in Spain? How many Euros?
September 20, 2019
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cat-mechanic said
Welcome from another new guy here.I have always wondered about how guns are bought in other countries and saw you explanation above.
What does something like that cost in Spain? How many Euros?
Hi cat-mechanic
First of all, be aware that the law in Spain is the most restrictive in all Europe, so buying guns here it's not allowed to unlicensed people. Even more: you can't shoot a gun outside a shooting sports club. Outdoors you can only hunt.
"Short" answer to your final question, I own:
- a 22lr olympic competition hand gun: FAS domino 602. (mid 90's,second hand 400€)
- Two 9mm Pb semiautomatic pistols: STAR 30P (mid 90's s.h. 145€) and STAR 30PK (s.h. 45 €)
- A 22lr carbine: ERMA M1, the 22 training rifle used in germany post war (60's s.h. 150€)
- Two army antique rifles: A swiss K31 7.5x55 rifle (1941, s.h. 300€) and a czech 7x57 k98 precursor mauser (1937, s.h. 300 €)
- Aaaaannnd now I have bought a 357 Dan Wesson Palmer fixed barrel (mid 90's, s.h. 135€). I assume to have it by the end of this week because the authorities need some time to do the paper work.
But this prices are not the average because I "hunt" for opportunities every time.
Normal marquet prices, second hand:
- FAS: 200 to 400 €, secon hand, mid nineties. New 1400€
- STAR 30P and 30PK 200 - 400 €, upon condition. New costed like as a Beretta or an average Glock.
- Erma: 150 - 250 €
- K31 500-700 €
- K98 500-800 € depens on condition and fabrication
- Dan Wesson: 400 to 800 € upon the model, number of extra barrels, etc. Can't say the new cost because they are not imported at this time.
The new gun prices, in general, are similar to those in the states.
But, remember, here in Spain, we can only own guns if we are hunters or sporters.
No one could buy a gun without a license for hunt or for competitions.
Regards
February 1, 2019
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Hi glopez
Interesting, I thought that the gun laws in Spain were similar to France, seems we are a little less restricted here.
Good luck with your Dan, it was a great bargain, I'm sure you will like it.
September 22, 2019
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glopez said
Hi cat-mechanic
First of all, be aware that the law in Spain is the most restrictive in all Europe, so buying guns here it's not allowed to unlicensed people. Even more: you can't shoot a gun outside a shooting sports club. Outdoors you can only hunt.
"Short" answer to your final question, I own:
- a 22lr olympic competition hand gun: FAS domino 602. (mid 90's,second hand 400€)
- Two 9mm Pb semiautomatic pistols: STAR 30P (mid 90's s.h. 145€) and STAR 30PK (s.h. 45 €)
- A 22lr carbine: ERMA M1, the 22 training rifle used in germany post war (60's s.h. 150€)
- Two army antique rifles: A swiss K31 7.5x55 rifle (1941, s.h. 300€) and a czech 7x57 k98 precursor mauser (1937, s.h. 300 €)
- Aaaaannnd now I have bought a 357 Dan Wesson Palmer fixed barrel (mid 90's, s.h. 135€). I assume to have it by the end of this week because the authorities need some time to do the paper work.But this prices are not the average because I "hunt" for opportunities every time.
Normal marquet prices, second hand:
- FAS: 200 to 400 €, secon hand, mid nineties. New 1400€
- STAR 30P and 30PK 200 - 400 €, upon condition. New costed like as a Beretta or an average Glock.
- Erma: 150 - 250 €
- K31 500-700 €
- K98 500-800 € depens on condition and fabrication
- Dan Wesson: 400 to 800 € upon the model, number of extra barrels, etc. Can't say the new cost because they are not imported at this time.
The new gun prices, in general, are similar to those in the states.But, remember, here in Spain, we can only own guns if we are hunters or sporters.
No one could buy a gun without a license for hunt or for competitions.Regards
Thank you for that explanation. It is really eye opening to see what people have to do in other countries to purchase and own firearms.
September 20, 2019
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Rupert said
Hi glopezInteresting, I thought that the gun laws in Spain were similar to France, seems we are a little less restricted here.
Good luck with your Dan, it was a great bargain, I'm sure you will like it.
Yes, indeed.
In France seems to be easier to own and shoot guns. I use to watch french shooters youtubes and this is my impression.
And there is more than I explained before but in order to keep the answer shorter I've ommitted the technical details.
And yes, it has been a great bargain. Can't wait to have it in my hands.
I intend to take some close pictures and share with you my impressions, but in another thread in the proper section.
September 20, 2019
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cat-mechanic said
Thank you for that explanation. It is really eye opening to see what people have to do in other countries to purchase and own firearms.
My pleasure.
If you need more details, please ask. There are huge differences in this matter.
Regards
September 20, 2019
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glopez said
In a competition you shoot 30 rounds in "precision shooting" with some time to aim and 30 shots in "rapid shooting", 3 seconds to aim and shoot, 7 seconds between shots and must not aim between shots, you must low your gun.
All of that shooting one handed, standing, on your two feet and without any support. Two hands grip is forbidden in target shooting.
See this image, this is what I meant
The left one is for rapid shooting, the right one is for precision, bull's eye @ 4" and 2", "X" or "V" @ 2" and 1" all of it at 28 yards.
This was not me, by the way, is from anothr shooter after a training session
Regards
February 22, 2017
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glopez said
First of all, thank you all for your warm welcome.
Now, jertex, this is your answer:
This grip is special for target shooting ISSF center fire.
It is an ergonomic grip shaped to fit perfectly to your hand to achieve total contact, so you get total control of the gun.
In target shooting, at least in Europe, everyone gets a gun with this kind of grips or, if the gun hasn't, then they are buyed apart.
Also the gun needs to have adjustable sights (as my DW has) or buyed apart.
In target shooting (bull's eye shooting, I think you call it) your goal is to place your bullets inside a 2 inch circle at 25 meters (28 yards approx). So you need to stop and control your gun very accurately to get this results o, at least, be very close.
In my country, to be considered a first class shooter you must put 60 shots in a row into a 4 inch circle at 28 yards to achieve 510 points out of 600.
So you need to get all 60 rounds as 9's (4 inch) and 10's (2 inch).My level is 2ond class, above 440 points and below 510. Usually I am about 480 points, some days above some days below.
In a competition you shoot 30 rounds in "precision shooting" with some time to aim and 30 shots in "rapid shooting", 3 seconds to aim and shoot, 7 seconds between shots and must not aim between shots, you must low your gun.
In precision shooting the bull's eye is 2 inches wide, "X" 1 inch wide, as I told you before, and in rapid shooting the bulls eye is 4 inches wide, and a "X" 2 inches wide.
All of that shooting one handed, standing, on your two feet and without any support. Two hands grip is forbidden in target shooting.
So this is the reason for such grips, to have your gun just like a hand prolongation.
Here in Spain we can't shoot out of the range (indoor or semi-indoor, very controlled) and we can not hunt with a hand gun.
We only can shoot outdoors in a IPSC (USPSA equivalent) competition or a PRS competition.
So we can't do "plinking" as you can and the "combat" grips are not very needed.I'm sorry for this long explanation but it is needed to answer the question properly.
Hope I have satisfied your curiosity.
Best regards
Thank you for the detailed explanation. I enjoyed reading every sentence. You are a much better shooter than I am and I hope you are able to raise your rating to First Class shooter with your Dan Wesson. Maybe you'll be able to provide a range report when you get it to the range. If you ever get a chance to come to the Dallas, TX area in the U.S., you'll need to let me know and I'll take you shooting at my gun club.
Jerry
6 Dans and counting...
September 20, 2019
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jertex said
Thank you for the detailed explanation. I enjoyed reading every sentence. You are a much better shooter than I am and I hope you are able to raise your rating to First Class shooter with your Dan Wesson. Maybe you'll be able to provide a range report when you get it to the range. If you ever get a chance to come to the Dallas, TX area in the U.S., you'll need to let me know and I'll take you shooting at my gun club.
Thanks, jertex
Reaching first class is not easy, you must score in a real and official competition, so the pressure and the adrenaline comes against your good wish. So, mi score in competition is somehow lower than my average. I must control my temper and my breathing better. But good guns help a lot.
Nevertheless, 357/38spl are calibers new to me. I reload every cartridge I shoot, so I will need some time to get the right loads. But when my score does not embarrase me, I will post my results.
And if I go to Texas (not very likely, unfortunately, but, on the other hand, I'm very courious about the very unique Texas culture and it's traditions and history) I will be very pleased to go to the range together.
Unfortunately, if you come to Barcelona, I couldn't offer you to reciprocate your kind offer because here is complettely forbidden to shoot without a legally approved license. So, my apologies.
Nevertheless if you come here, let me know, it will be my pleasure to spend time together.
Regards
September 22, 2019
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glopez said
Nevertheless, 357/38spl are calibers new to me. I reload every cartridge I shoot, so I will need some time to get the right loads.
Regards
Now I am curious, What reloading equipment is used? Are you buying the bullets or casting your own?
Is it just as difficult to get the reloading equipment and supplies as it is the firearms?
September 20, 2019
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cat-mechanic said
Now I am curious, What reloading equipment is used? Are you buying the bullets or casting your own?
Is it just as difficult to get the reloading equipment and supplies as it is the firearms?
Hi, cat-mechanic
In fact any of the reloading material available (lee, hornady, rcbs, etc.) is allowed with one exception: automatic or semiautomatic ones.
I don't realize why. Automatize is only a time saving tecnique so with manual equipmet I coud do the same but spending more time.
This laws came from dictatorship times when the "unarm the people" paranoia was started to avoid the revolt against him. And I suppose that this was one of this kind of regulations.
By default you are allowed to buy only 100 bullets per hand gun and 1000 rifle rounds per year unless you ask for more.
And there are per year special permissions. I have one that allows me two thousand in total for 9mm, 1500 for 7,5x55 swiss and 1500 more for 7x57 mauser. You can only ask for calibers of your licensed guns in a total of 5000 per year.
But, you can reload or buy ammo in your club without a limit. In the first case, you only have to declare how many powder, how many bullets and shells you buy.
Nevertheles you can't have in your house at each moment more than (in total) 1kg of powder, 150 rounds for hand gun, 200 rifle rounds plus 100 shells with primer on them plus 100 primers.
So, as you can realize, I spend almost more time in the gun shop than with my wife 😀
We have mostly european powder, european and american bullets and shells. And some people cast his own bullets many of them for wad cutter type bullets amd muzzle loaders.
Here in europe we have special bullets for target shooting, mostly wad cutter, semi wad cutter, tronco conics, hollow back, hollow point etc.
I mostly use H&N bullets for hand guns and rifle guns with low loads and some others for full loads: Sierra, Hornady, some brands of Spanish manufacturers... It depend of the intended application.
To have the supplies is easy if you moves inside the bounds of law regulations. But, only with wich I told you, you can imagine that there is not an easy life for sport shooters like me.
But we are used to so we can live forward. I'm shure that you are very astonished about all of that.
And I've not told you all about other regulations. Yes, there are more, but the principals are those.
Hope I satisfied your curiosity.
By the way, speaking of regulations and paper work: I am still waiting for my gun a full week and I suspect to get another one. 🙁
Best regards
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