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November 30, 2019 - 10:32 am
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Hello, I hope not to break any rules with this post.

My Dan Wesson is doing this weird cylinder movement, so far it doesn’t seem to affect the funtionality of the revolver.

Should I do something about it? fix something/replace some part? or is this completely normal?

Also is it possible to buy some new screws for this model? any online stores to buy the short and long screws? I had to drill them in order to dissasemble the gun for clean up. 

I suspect is a model 8 but it will be helpful if someone can confirm the model.

Thank you very much.

 

PD: Didn’t realize the previous image couldn’t be enlarged, sorry about that.

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I suspect your extractor rod is bent.  What’s the caliber?  I can’t make it out

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

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I suspect your extractor rod is bent.  What’s the caliber?  I can’t make it out  

Is a 38 special.

I took the entire revolver appart for clean up and didn’t notice anything wrong with the extractor rod BUT to be honest I was not really looking hard into that piece.

I can dissasemble the whole gun again and take close up pics and video if that helps in anyway.

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If the ejector rod is badly bent this would only happen on certain chambers. If it’s happening on all chambers it could be another problem.

This looks like a very worn Model 14. The crane must have developed enough wobble over the years that it is allowing the cylinder to move past the spring loaded alignment ball when closing it as you’re doing in the video. Notice that it always springs back into position. I would take the ball spring out to see if it is damaged or weakened in some way. If it has good pressure on the ball when properly installed you should be fine, just don’t press on the rear of the cylinder as you’re doing in the video. DWs are not like Colts and Smiths. They do not have a positive locking rod into the back of the cylinder; only the alignment ball.

You can usually find DW revolver parts on eBay.

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November 30, 2019 - 4:26 pm
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Happens on all chambers.

I already saw some list here with all the parts one could need, the big problem is knowing the model and finding someone willing to ship the parts to my country (mainly screws and probably the aligment ball and crane or parts of it) which shouldn’t be that much of a problem.

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Most of the parts you’re referring to are interchangeable on all small frame DW revolvers, so it doesn’t really matter that you positively identify what model you have. The exception is with the crane assembly on the pork chops. These are different from the 15-2 onward. There are not as many of these pork chop revolvers around compared to the later DWs, so you may have to keep checking on eBay for quite some time until one comes available.

However, I really don’t think you need a new crane. If the revolver is indexing properly and doesn’t spit any fouling back at you the timing is probably OK. If you want to check the timing: pull the hammer all the way back very slowly. The cylinder should be locked on the bolt just before it reaches the full cock position. If you have to turn the cylinder by hand even the slightest amount to get it to lock into position you will need to replace (and fit) the hand.

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Cylinder is locking before reaching full cock position, thank you very much for your info.

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 Does she have a nut at the end of the barrel?  most likely a 357 with a 38 shroud. If it locks up tight shoot away. email EWK he may have the parts (screws that you need).

 

I like the old pork chop, if only it could talk!  

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Member Snake-eye has springs, dedent ball, screws, etc. Cheap and he could mail them. Check if a 357 will chamber. If it does it is a model 14-1. If not, it is an 8-1. Do you have a barrel tool? With porkchops if you remove the shroud the cylinder assembly slides right off. Great for cleaning. If you need a barrel tube though it is 33/4″ long, not 4″. I think DW barrels are of a harder steel than older Smiths. Rare to see one with worn out rifling but can be frosted inside. Check the bolt to see if it is worn. It pops up through the bottom strap to lock the cylinder. Smiths call it a cylinder stop. In Dans the cylinder stop is the nub on the sideplate that keeps the cylinder from sliding off the crane when open. It can be broken off the sideplate if you pound on the extractor to eject stuck cases. I take a pencel with eraser to the range for stuck cases. That way you don’t run the risk of bending the extractor. Hold the cylinder to keep it from knocking the stop off. I know you don’t necessarily have a problem but just a warning of one of the few design problems a Dan has. It was corrected in 1986. However most blue Dans are older than that. 

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Ok a small update, the movement happens on one direction only as can be seen in this video:

Also I took apart the gun again and found out this part is kind of loose (sorry for the shakiness on the video, I had to hold the camera while manipulating the gun):

Is it possible to get/change only the center piece? or do I have to look for an entire crane?

@Dave_Ks sadly I haven’t found a 357 cartridge to test. (that caliber is kindda hard to find in my country)

@Ole Dog The entire crane does come out when the shroud is removed.

This is the sad state of the screws:

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Your video clearly shows that the upper crane leg is loose and needs repair. It definitely should not wobble like that. Another forum member may have a suggestion for some kitchen table gunsmithing, but I would recommend taking it to a gunsmith.

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3ric said
the upper crane leg is loose and needs repair. It definitely should not wobble like that.

Awesome, thank you very much.

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