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April 4, 2016
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Hi all,
I wonder if anyone knows what happened to the Locked Breech Revolver patent:
US 4807380 A
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March 2, 2008
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Is this a Dan Wesson patent, or directly related to Dan Wesson revolvers?
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George Carlin
April 4, 2016
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Yes, to Steve and all interested, from what I can tell the patent was assigned to Dan Wesson Arms, Inc. by the inventor Robert E. Domian.
If you Google US 4807380 A you will see drawings that look to be based on a Dan Wesson revolver.
I thought someone hereabouts would have more info. I'm interested because I have considered a solution to the problem of a bottleneck ctge. in a revolver on my own. In fact I was a little disappointed some years back when I discovered this patent.
I'd like to know if this design worked or not.
My bad, I should have given more background.
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February 22, 2009
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Bottleneck designs in a revolver aren't new.. and DWs were available in 32.20.. Others include many wildcats by Gary Reeder and of course .357/44 Bain and Davis. I'm sure there are more but that's off the top of my head.
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March 2, 2008
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Thanks, I should have researched more closely. I see that Patent info in our archives. There is nothing there to indicate that DW ever did anything with this.
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George Carlin
March 22, 2016
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oops, I didn't look close enough before making my post... I was way off on the description below, sorry.
I believe portions of this were worked into early model Colt's..
both are in some way similar, the actuation and retraction of the pulling the pin from the rear of the cylinder differs, but still the protrusion of a pin, from the breach face, locking and allowing the cylinder to pivot upon it, is typical.
March 22, 2016
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Steve said
Thanks, I should have researched more closely. I see that Patent info in our archives. There is nothing there to indicate that DW ever did anything with this.
oops, I didn't look close enough before making my post... I was way off on the description below, sorry.
I believe very early Wesson manufacture utilized this, but way before it was ever noted as a Dan Wesson revolver, interestingly I watched something on Netflix, about inventors last week, and it did take the designs of the first Wesson (Danial) revolvers into a competition and race for patents with Colt.
The story was wrought with severe bogus timelines, and even worse examples, like showing cartridge firearms in place of the arms of the current mfg which were cap and ball.. very annoying to say.
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December 4, 2011
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Not sure I fully grasp what is being presented here. Is this some kind of mechanism to move the cylinder forward towards the forcing cone? If so, there is a foreign made pistol, can't remember the name, that does this, uses special ammo too. If not, could somebody please explain to me what this is supposed to do?
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March 22, 2016
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its the original patent drawing for a system that has a retractable pin, that protrudes into the bore behind the cartridge, that locks the rear of the cylinder from rotating and lateral movement and also forces a bottle necked cartridge to its correct headspacing at the tapered shoulder, as it is being fired simply put, my initial posting was wrong saying it was a rear center pin, sorry, I didn't look close enough before posting, and I was viewing it on a mini tablet screen... my bad.
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Thanks, that makes sense now.
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SCORPIO said
Not sure I fully grasp what is being presented here. Is this some kind of mechanism to move the cylinder forward towards the forcing cone? If so, there is a foreign made pistol, can't remember the name, that does this, uses special ammo too. If not, could somebody please explain to me what this is supposed to do?Yours in ignorance, SCORPIO
I think the gun you are referring to is a Nagant revolver. Shot one once and it was the most brutal trigger pull I have ever known.
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December 4, 2011
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Yep, that was the one.
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March 22, 2016
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Steve said
SCORPIO said
Not sure I fully grasp what is being presented here. Is this some kind of mechanism to move the cylinder forward towards the forcing cone? If so, there is a foreign made pistol, can't remember the name, that does this, uses special ammo too. If not, could somebody please explain to me what this is supposed to do?Yours in ignorance, SCORPIO
I think the gun you are referring to is a Nagant revolver. Shot one once and it was the most brutal trigger pull I have ever known.
agreed on x10...
I fired one back around '78-79, that a pal brought/shipped/ I dunno how it came back/ back from Viet Nam, and it was a cutdown but nice and clean piece, and it was adapted with a silencer/suppressor of sorts.. which was crude but effective. It did quiet the thing down when using the specific cartridges made for it, but didn't do much for some of his home made ammo.. I fired 2 cylinders thru it, and said thanx, not my cup o' tea... I have to say the cartridges looked really funky, and I didn't want to shoot it till I watched him shoot it, to make sure it wouldn't blow up..
the cases fully enclosed the slug, and looked like an uncircumcised pecker in the result.. (sorry, but just being descriptive..easy boy's) and it was necked down and the forward end of the case actually entered the forcing cone / lead in on the barrel when it was forced forward.. very interesting thing, but the cases he had looked rough, I'm sure some precision trimming, and careful cartridge work with what we know today, would have been a great thing to have back then.
as weird as it was, now I think he had a nice collectible, even though it had like a 15# trigger pull, on a single action revolver..
he's long since passed, I wonder where/who ended up with it..? he never married.
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